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From: SAN (INDIA) < firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:55 AM
Subject: SAN Mail to TNTJ
To: TNTJ Head Office < email@example.com>, TNTJ Head Office < firstname.lastname@example.org>, TNTJ Head Office < email@example.com>, firstname.lastname@example.org
Cc: “S.JOSHUA VENKATESAN” < email@example.com>, Ajoy Varghese < firstname.lastname@example.org>
Let the name of Yahweh, the only true name of God upon which all the true prophets have called, who in flesh was known by the name Lord Jesus Christ, be glorified forever and ever. Amen.
Dear Friends at TNTJ,
We are in receipt of your email dated March 27, 2012.
Your self-claimed prophet must have been extremely proud of the way you practice deceit had he not have been affected by the poison (given by the Jewish woman or Ayesha as other sects of Muslims say? ) and died due to the cut in his aorta- the way he said he would die if he was a fabricator.
Surah 69: 44-46 – “And if he had fabricated against Us some of the sayings, We would certainly have seized him by the right hand, then We would certainly have cut off his aorta”.
Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 713 – The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, “O Aishah! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison”.
Before Goebbels, it was your self-claimed prophet who taught and practiced deception as he understood that he cannot win through truthful ways.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 267- Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, “Khosrau will be ruined, and there will be no Khosrau after him, and Caesar will surely be ruined and there will be no Caesar after him, and you will spend their treasures in Allah’s Cause.” He called, “War is deceit’.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 268 – Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle called,: “War is deceit”.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 269 – Narrated Jabir bin ‘Abdullah: The Prophet said, “War is deceit.”
You are surely following your self-claimed prophet; otherwise how can you claim that you are ready to abide by the signed agreement between SAN and TNTJ when you are NOT ready for acting according to the following clause:
“IV. Arrangement of the auditorium: 3) It is the duty of this panel to get police permission with the letters from both sides.”
You are surely following the pattern of a man who practiced deceit; otherwise how could you have violated the below clause of the signed agreement in many parts of Tamil Nadu?
“VIII. Advertisements: The debates should not be advertised in wall posters, notice, flex banners, TV and magazines.”
You might be thinking that people would forget the transgression you practiced in the above cases and continue to believe in the lie that you write just because you keep repeating the lies again and again. Those days are gone forever; people in Tamil Nadu has seen that TNTJ panel has no substance and are devoid of intellectual honesty; after years of empty boasting, blaspheming and abusing against the Holy Bible, you have been thoroughly refuted and defeated on the debate on Holy Bible and you are yet to recover from the humiliating shock, which you will never recover unless you leave Islam and come to the true God of all true prophets in the Holy Bible. People in Tamil Nadu and other parts of the world now know what TNTJ panel is capable of (drama, and transgressing agreements) and what they are not capable of (a honest and intellectual debate).
We are not surprised at your baseless and utterly meaningless blabbering against our beloved and holy apostle Paul. The ignorant and unstable people distort Apostle Paul’s epistles, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction (2 Peter 3:16). It fits well with you. In fact, your foolish allegations against the pure and Holy Bible are also the result of your corrupted mind and consciences (Titus 1:15). In fact, how can your minds not be corrupted when you are dreaming day and night about eternal virgins and young boys (homosexuality?)?
Are we simply making unfounded allegations as you do? Not at all. Look at the evidence:
Surah 55:56, 72-74 – Wherein both will be those (maidens) restraining their glances upon their husbands, whom no man or jinn yatmithhunna (has opened their hymens with sexual intercourse) before them… Houris (beautiful, fair females) restrained in pavilions; Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny? Whom no man or jinn yatmithhunna (has opened their hymens with sexual intercourse) before them.
Surah 78:33 “And young full-breasted (mature) maidens of equal age”
As per Tafsir of Ibn Kathir, Surah 78:33: “Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid and others have said, (Kawa`ib) “This means round breasts. They meant by this that the breasts of these girls will be fully rounded and not sagging, because they will be virgins, equal in age. This means that they will only have one age.”
Surah 56: 15 “Round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness).”
Those who live by the dreams of such worthless imaginations would soon be addicted to immorality. Was not the reason why your self-claimed prophet had to allow prostitution by renaming it as temporary marriage for your ‘pious generations’? If he renames evil as good (like how you rename your humiliating defeat as victory), only he and his followers would be fooled; not others.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7: Book 62: Number 13 “Narrated Abdullah: We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah’s Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, “Shall we get ourselves castrated?” He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry women with a temporary contract and recited to us: — ‘O you who believe! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, but commit no transgression.’ (5.87)
No wonder that hardly anyone in the world is ready to accept the earliest biographies (Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq or Kitab Al-Maghazi by Al Waqidi) of the man who preached such vulgar teachings. Muslims are afraid to accept his earliest biographies written by Muslims (earlier than recorded Sahih Hadiths) as they are ashamed of his deeds; Muslims like you have started rejecting your own prophet’s hadiths by biddah methodologies as you yourselves find those immoral; and logically minded and sincere Muslims are rejecting and will reject his fabricated so-called ‘divine revelation’ as well- sooner they do it, better for their souls. You know that and that is the reason why you are trying all your means to evade from the debate on Quran.
Our first two options for the debate are not something we have come up with:
(1) Option 1: Abide by the signed agreement between SAN and TNTJ and conduct the debate in Chennai by jointly obtaining the police permission. When you are not ready for this, why do you lie by saying that you are ready for it? Is this not deception.
(2) Option 2: Conduct a private recorded debate (without live telecast which would make it public to any logically minded person). Can you show us from the signed agreement that live telecast is a must for this debate? It is not there in the signed agreement. Then why you are not ready for this? Is it not because that it can be easily conducted and you would be exposed? When we are saying it on your face that your Quran would be proved to be a fabricated work, instead of making excuses and coming up with silly conditions, if you really believed Quran to be the word of God, you would have come taken these options. But you prefer the dishonourable path of evasion by deception rather than the honourable path of debate and accepting the defeat when the evidence is stacked against you.
(3) How come you come up with the laughable and silly condition that there should be a debate on ‘who ran away from the debate’ (which we demonstrated as an absurd condition in our earlier mails) for some options but not for others? Is it not clear that you are using this silly precondition as an excuse not to abide by the signed agreement and not to allow the easiest option of private recorded debate to take place? Are you not attempting to evade from the debate by blaming SAN for it? We will not allow you to escape like this. If by any chance the Kochi police do not give the permission, you will have to still debate with any of the other two options mentioned above. The only way you can escape from this debate is to accept that you are shameless and are afraid to debate with us as Quran cannot be defended by any good reasons.
(4) Are you afraid to release and give us a copy of your video of your theatrics on January 28? Is not because that you know that we will refute and expose your shallow arguments and all your excuses of evading debate would no longer work? Give us a copy and release it to the public if you are men of courage.
You said that SAN & TNTJ need not agree on the content of the letter to the Kochi police and we are debating because we do not agree. We do not agree on theological issues but unless we agree on certain things how can the debates take place? Unless we need to agree on matters related to conducting the debate, how come you signed an Agreement with us? The agreement signed on July 29, 2011 starts with the following line:
“This debate agreement between Tamil Nadu Thowheed Jamath (TNTJ) and Sakshi Apologetics Network (SAN) is signed on 29 July 2011, in furtherance to various discussions between the following participants on various dates.”
Can you read the word agreement in the signed agreement? Why did you sign the agreement if agreement was not required on matters related to conducting of the debate? It appears to us that your mind is in a state of delirious unconsciousness at the very prospect of another debate where you would be met with another humiliating defeat.
We require your letter to the Kochi police if we have to host the debate at Kochi and not a letter to us you have hilariously recommended. Your letter to us has no value to the police. As far as police is concerned, they would go by the applicant for the permission and not whether applicant has an agreement with another group.
Further, we also do not give much value to your words. If you can break the signed agreement with regard to pasting of posters and banners, if you can break the agreement over email on private recorded debate by continuing to advertise about live telecast, what is the guarantee that you would not break your word again? Moreover, your self-claimed prophet not only taught you to deceive but also taught you to break words shamelessly.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 78, Number 618: Narrated by ‘Aisha Abu Bakr As-Siddiq had never broken his oaths till Allah revealed the expiation for the oaths. Then he said, “If I take an oath to do something and later on I find something else better than the first one, then I do what is better and make expiation for my oath.”
Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 78, Number 619: “Narrated by ‘Abdur-Rahman bin Samura “ The Prophet said, “O ‘Abdur-Rahman bin Samura! Do not seek to be a ruler, because if you are given authority for it, then you will be held responsible for it, but if you are given it without asking for it, then you will be helped in it (by Allah): and whenever you take an oath to do something and later you find that something else is better than the first, then do the better one and make expiation for your oath.”
Again, your draft to Kochi police and proposed letter to us again exposes your blabbering and illogical mind. In your draft to the Kochi police, you proposed to attach the copy of the signed agreement copy (which we also agreed as it is the valid agreement) and you wrote:
“Sakshi Apologetics Network and Tamil Nadu Thowheed Jamath have entered into an agreement for a series of debates, a copy of which is enclosed herewith for your persual.”
And in your proposed letter to us (which we do not want as it has no value) you stated:
“You may also produce a copy of the agreement we have entered into last year to the Commissioner of Police.”
And then again in the same proposed letter to us, you stated:
“Please make it clear that this debate outside our agreement and is one separate debate to be held outside Chennai.”
Have you really gone out of your mind? On one hand you want to give the copy of the signed agreement and on the other hand want to state that debate is outside our agreement. Are you devising means to show SAN & TNTJ do not have agreement on the format and the modalities of debate itself so that Kochi police will take it as a hint to not allow the debate? This blabbering itself shows your pathetic state of mind after the humiliating defeat you had on January 21 & 22. We feel saddened at your pitiful state.
This debate is as per the signed agreement and the signed agreement makes provision for modification of changes if both the parties agree (read the clause below):
“XII. General matters: 1) Nobody has authority from both sides to alter or to correct the debate agreement and to add or remove anything unless with mutual consent and agreement.”
So, any alterations/corrections/additions/removal with mutual agreement does not invalidate the signed agreement and you yourself have agreed it by attaching the signed agreement.
However, we have learned that your words have no meaning and you can lie and break your words anytime. Otherwise, why would you propose to include the signed agreement in the draft to Kochi police and then suggest that the debate is outside the agreement? Are you really insane or is it because you want to start another debate on whether the signed agreement is valid though you agreed with your actions in the past that it is valid? Are you not finding silly reasons to prolong the discussion rather than sincerely work towards conduct the debate?
We do not want anything outside the signed agreement. Debate on Quran should happen within the signed agreement. The option of hoisting it in Kochi is as per the mutual agreement and therefore does not invalidate the signed agreement. This is common sense.
When we drafted a letter to Kochi police without adding any words which are disagreeable to SAN & TNTJ, you added disagreeable words PURPOSELY to prolong the discussion. Now, you are coming up with another silly statement that the Kochi proposed debate is outside the signed agreement. Unless you are insane, the only reason we can see is that you are looking for new disputes to prolong the discussion and finally evade from the debate shamelessly.
We are summarizing all the options before us:
(a) SAN is ready to approach the Chennai police along with TNTJ to seek the permission for conducting the debate on Quran in Chennai itself. This was and is our most preferred option. If TNTJ was ready for this option, then things could have moved without any delay and without any of these discussions. Though you boast of being ready to conduct the debate “AT ANY COST,” you are afraid to select this option as you cannot prolong discussion and look for means to escape. That is why you are not ready for this and you have silly preconditions for this option.
(b) SAN is ready for a private recorded debate (without live telecast) which can be done without police permission. World across debates do happen with recording and without live telecast. You who boast of being ready to conduct the debate ‘AT ANY COST’ should be ready to consider this option as well. But you can NEVER because if you chose this option, you know for sure that the debate on Quran would happen and you will suffer humiliating defeat.
(c) SAN is ready to host the debate at Kochi by the mutual agreement as per the signed agreement and approach for the police permission alone as long as TNTJ provides a letter which is agreeable to both SAN & TNTJ. SAN requires TNTJ representative to come to police only if police insist on it.
(d) SAN is ready to host the debate at Kochi by the mutual agreement as per the signed agreement. SAN would draft its own letter in its letterhead and TNTJ can draft its own letter in its letterhead. SAN and TNTJ representative should together approach the police for permission.
We are open for all reasonable options; but you are just blabbering and trying to evade the debate on Quran as you are incapable of defending it. Even after we telling you that you are incapable of defending the Quran and are shamelessly trying to evade the debate, you will never come for any reasonable options because the fact is YOU CAN NEVER EVER defend Quran as God’s word. Further, we repeat the challenge to provide us a copy of your drama defense of Quran on January 28 if you are not afraid of being exposed of your shallowness.
You mentioned that we are writing to the enemies; probably that might be true as per your self-claimed prophet who had no knowledge of spiritual things but only saw things as any worldly man sees. However, for us, you are just our debate opponents but not enemies. Our intention is to demonstrate that you are in utter darkness and you need to come out of Islam and accept the true God of true prophets of the Holy Bible as your saviour to escape from the hell. Therefore, we would debate only on those things which are theologically significant and not any silly subjects.
Let us know by when you can provide us a letter to Kochi police which is mutually agreeable or send your representative along with us with your own letter to Kochi police as you proposed to write or ready for any of the reasonable options mentioned above.
Looking forward for the debate on Quran.